Planting the seeds: Seeding all the Chicago area sectionals

Oswego East's Kamron Battle (24) grabs a ball out of the air, Saturday 02-09-19. Worsom Robinson/For the Sun-Times.
Oswego East's Kamron Battle (24) grabs a ball out of the air, Saturday 02-09-19. Worsom Robinson/For the Sun-Times.

The City/Suburban Hoops Report has seeded sectionals across the Chicago area for years.

Yes, it’s that time of the season. Coaches from across the state will be seeding sectionals this week.

Here is a sectional seeding primer with not only the seeds given but also the reasons and factors behind the seeds.

Can and should there be debate? Certainly. But these seeds aren’t given without a ton of research and homework put in as dozens and dozens of schedules, results and scenarios are closely examined.

The following seeds are determined on a number of factors and criteria.

Win totals and won-loss records obviously play a part in the seeding process. But if someone looks deep enough they will find all win totals and won-loss records aren’t the same.

So, yes, a team’s record is important. But in this process the team’s schedule has to be taken into account. Why teams that play tough schedules aren’t rewarded more than they are in high school basketball always baffles me.

So we have won-loss records and schedule strength. We also have a great deciding factor with head-to-head play. There may be coaches that ignore recent play, but in doing this I do take a close look at how a team has been playing over the past month.

There may be some who disregard injuries, stating many teams have them and no one is always sure who has or hasn’t played in certain games over the course of the season. But there are definitely some instances where common sense prevails and where it’s obvious the impact of losing a star player is clear and has impacted a team’s season and record.

Then there is the simple eye test. When all of the above fails, what team do you think is better?

Coaches are required to submit their seeds by Thursday. There should’t be a whole lot of change in the coming days. So here is where the City/Suburban Hoops Report sees the Chicago area sectional seeds with a final update posted Wednesday.

CLASS 4A

NILES NORTH SECTIONAL

1. Evanston (24-4)
2. New Trier (22-4)
3. Niles North (19-8)
4. Maine South (19-9)
5. Notre Dame (17-10)
6. Loyola (18-11)
7. Glenbrook South (19-8)
8. Schaumburg (20-5)

Overview: This is as challenging of a sectional to seed as any out there, so we’re going to have to dive in deep with these seeds and the reasons why.

Evanston has gone out and secured the top seed, while rival New Trier has locked up the second seed based on its total body of work and its won-loss record. The Trevians did lose to Niles North this past weekend, though Ciaran Brayboy was out of action. And New Trier will be without a very important piece, Sam Silverstein, the rest of the way. That’s a lot to take in when seeding the Trevians.

Niles North has been a little bit of a jekyll and hyde team. But coach Glenn Olson’s team is playing well with a 9-2 record in its last 11 games. While its season has been a little under the radar, Niles North has split with Glenbrook South, winning the most recent matchup, and has beaten Maine South, Notre Dame and New Trier. That’s a decent amount of work put in to narrowly grab the No. 3 seed.

However, when up against upper echelon teams Niles North has really struggled, losing to Evanston by 14 and 26 points, losing to Geneva by 13 points and losing to Waukegan by 22 points.

Maine South doesn’t have many eye-opening wins to hang its hat on but is playing its best basketball of the season. The Hawks have won seven of eight, including wins over Notre Dame and Glenbrook South in the last two weeks.

Notre Dame has fought through some inconsistency but is 7-3 in its last 10. The always-strong East Suburban Catholic Conference, combined with non-conference games with St. Laurence, DePaul Prep, Niles North, Loyola, Maine South and Waukegan, helps the seed here. The win that stands out in the past month is beating Loyola, another team fighting for a top five seed in this sectional.

In Loyola’s defense, the Ramblers were 16-6 with its best player, Connor Barrett, in the lineup. Barrett has been out with an injury and Loyola has gone 2-4 in his absence. The hope is he returns sooner that later. But the overall schedule strength stands out and Loyola lands at No. 6.

Glenbrook South’s biggest and best wins came in December and is only 5-4 in its last nine games, including losses to sectional teams Evanston, New Trier, Maine South and Niles North in that stretch. But Glenbrook South’s “A game” did beat the sectional’s top seed, Evanston. That keeps them among the top eight seeds.

Schaumburg’s win total is in line with all of the teams in this sectional that are bunched together. But the schedule the Saxons have played really hurts them.

Schaumburg has played just one ranked team all year, losing to Geneva way back in November. The biggest win came against a strong but unranked Fremd team. And Schaumburg has played three teams all season with more than 15 wins –– Kennedy out of the Public League’s Blue-Central, Cary-Grove and Fremd.

WAUKEGAN SECTIONAL

1. Stevenson (22-3)
2. Fremd (18-4)
3. Waukegan (22-5)
4. Mundelein (17-9)
5. Deerfield (18-9)
6. Prospect (14-12)
7. Barrington (16-9)
8. Zion-Benton (11-12)

Overview: Stevenson is the hottest team in the sectional and has two wins over Waukegan and résumé-building non-conference wins over ranked York and Richards.

Fremd has not played the schedule Waukegan has played and their records are similar, but it’s hard to ignore Fremd’s 66-60 win over Waukegan in December at the Hardwood Classic. Waukegan has beaten Mundelein twice, so the second, third and fourth seeds play out easily.

Deerfield has a nice win total and beat Prospect but lost to both Fremd and Mundelein. However, the Warriors are 17-5 since their 0-4 start to the season.

Prospect beat Barrington and has played a solid non-conference schedule to earn the No. 6 seed.

There are a host of schools in the mix for the eight and nine seeds, including Zion-Benton, Libertyville, Warren, Hersey, Grant and Grayslake North.

Hersey, Grant and Grayslake North have not played the type of schedule or have the influential wins to push themselves into the top eight. Zion-Benton has not had a typical year for themselves, but they did beat both Warren and Libertyville recently and played Stevenson tough.

BARTLETT SECTIONAL

1. Geneva (25-1)
2. Benet (19-7)
3. Downers Grove South (19-6)
4. Naperville North (15-11)
5. Downers Grove North (19-10)
6. Lyons Twp. (19-9)
7. Glenbard West (17-9)
8. Wheaton South (17-10)

Overview: Geneva is the no-brainer top seed. Benet, due to playing the most demanding schedule of any team in this sectional, checks in at No. 2. Those top two seeds should be pretty straightforward.

Then it gets really debatable and interesting.

Downers Grove South did lose to Naperville North. But the Mustangs have gone 18-2 over the past two months after starting the season 1-4. Plus, Downers South has gone 5-0 against sectional teams Downers Grove North, Willowbrook (two wins), Lyons and Wheaton North.

The schedule hasn’t exactly been a grind; Downers South has only played one ranked team during that 17-2 stretch, losing to York, and has also lost twice to its other top opponent on its schedule, Proviso East. That schedule and who the Mustangs have beat is a real drawback.

Naperville North is the team coaches in this sectional need to understand.

First, the Huskies lost four very winnable games without its star player, Tom Welch, including this past weekend’s loss to Plainfield North where he was lost in the first minute of the game. That could easily turn the 14-11 record to 18-7 or 17-8.

Plus, the Huskies have played a rock solid schedule with six of their other losses coming to teams that have been ranked at some point this season, including losing to Geneva, the top team in the sectional, in overtime. Naperville North also owns that win over Downers Grove South, another team fighting for a top four seed in this sectional.

I think you could argue Naperville North as a No. 3 seed, even with its win total, due to the schedule it has faced and owning a win over Downers Grove South.

The messiness continues as there are five or six other teams with similar résumés to sort out as Downers Grove North, Glenbard West, Lyons, Wheaton North, Wheaton South and Lake Park have all taken turns beating one another.

Downers Grove North has split with both Lyons and Glenbard West. Downers Grove North beat Glenbard West in its most recent matchup and has gone 6-3 in its last nine games and gets the No. 5 seed, though Tuesday’s loss to Hinsdale Central weakens its case.

The No. 6 and No. 7 seeds should have been determined Tuesday night when Glenbard West faced Lyons. LT gets the No. 6 seed with the 63-56 win over Glenbard West.

It’s a flip of the coin between Wheaton North and Wheaton South. The two have split this season. But Wheaton South has the better overall record and beat Wheaton North last week. You could add Willowbrook in this conversation as well as the Warriors knocked off Proviso East Tuesday night. We’ll go Wheaton South at No. 8, Willowbrook at No. 9 and Wheaton North at No. 10.

Lake Park has one huge win on the season, knocking off top-seed Geneva last month. But the Lancers are just 1-4 among this group of teams all jockeying for position, including two losses to Wheaton North and a loss to both Wheaton South and Downers Grove North.

The depth of this sectional stands out as Wheaton North (16-11), Lake Park (18-9), DeKalb (15-11) and Willowbrook (16-10) are all just on the outside looking in at a top eight seed. All that means is the No. 10, No. 11 and No. 12 seeds are going to be competitive double-digit seeds in this sectional.

ROCKFORD SECTIONAL

Sub-Sectional A
1. Cary-Grove (18-6)
2. St. Charles East (16-12)
3. South Elgin (20-6)
4. Dundee-Crown (17-7)

Overview: Cary-Grove has split with Dundee-Crown this season, though it did win the most recent meeting Feb. 1 in double overtime. The Trojans also beat South Elgin in December and the win over 22-win Waubonsie Valley stands out.

South Elgin has won eight of its last nine with a win over Oswego East. But the Storm lost to St. Charles East in the early part of the season. St. Charles East’s record isn’t going to jump out at anyone, but the Saints have played the best schedule of any team in this sub-sectional.

Sub-Sectional B
1. Rockford East (26-2)
2. Harlem (17-9)
3. Rockford Auburn (16-10)
4. Rockford Boylan (17-11)

Overview: Rockford East is rolling and the favorite to win this sectional.

The other three? Good luck. Rockford Auburn has won eight straight but lost to Rockford Boylan and has split with Harlem.

EAST AURORA SECTIONAL

1. Bolingbrook (17-6)
2. Waubonsie Valley (23-3)
3. Oswego East (19-7)
4. West Aurora (23-5)
5. Oswego (15-10)
6. Romeoville (16-7)
7. Plainfield East (14-10)
8. Joliet Central (15-11)

Overview: There are a lot of sectionals that will be difficult to seed. This wasn’t one of them –– until Saturday night when Waubonsie Valley put a wrinkle in things with a win over Oswego East.

Bolingbrook is the clear No. 1 seed. The Raiders have played the toughest schedule in this sectional and have the most talent.

Oswego East has beaten West Aurora and could have wrapped up the No. 2 seed with a win over Waubonsie Valley this past weekend. But the Wolves fell. As a result, Oswego East will ride its 12-point win over West Aurora and a strong schedule –– the Wolves have beaten Downers Grove South, Naperville North, St. Rita and DePaul Prep while losing to ranked teams in Normal, St. Viator, York and Homewood-Flossmoor –– and secure the No. 3 seed. Oswego East has played 19 teams with 14 or more wins this season.

Go ahead and pencil in West Aurora with the fourth seed. Their schedule just doesn’t match up against the slate Oswego East has played. The Blackhawks have had a rock solid season and sport a 23-4 record. But West Aurora has feasted off a very down Upstate Eight with 15 wins and outside of an 18-point loss to Bloom and a trip to Pontiac over the holidays the schedule hasn’t offered much else. And the loss Tuesday to 8-19 Bartlett doesn’t help its cause.

Oswego had a great opportunity to push itself up in seed but lost to both Waubonsie Valley and Oswego East this past week. But the Panthers do have recent wins over Plainfield East and Romeoville.

Joliet Central has lost to Romeoville twice, lacks a real marquee wins among its 15 and lost four of its last six.

Lockport is 12-9 but is 0-3 vs. Southwest Prairie Conference and sectional foes Romeoville, Plainfield North and Plainfield South, thus settling for likely a No. 9 seed.

EISENHOWER SECTIONAL

1. Bloom (21-3)
2. Marian Catholic (24-3)
3. Simeon (15-13)
4. Homewood-Flossmoor (19-5)
5. St. Rita (21-7)
6. Brother Rice (20-7)
7. Thornton (19-7)
8. Richards (16-6)

Overview: It’s a Chicago Heights battle for the top spot in this sectional. Both Bloom and Marian Catholic are deserving after putting together impressive seasons up to this point. Each team has three losses but both teams have lost games with their best players out of action.

Bloom has gone 9-2 against teams that have been ranked at one point this season. Marian Catholic has gone 7-2 against ranked teams. But Bloom’s win over Morgan Park remains a major résumé-boosting win while one of its losses came to No. 1 Curie. Bloom gets the nod.

You’ve been told repeatedly to forget Simeon’s record. The Wolverines schedule has been ridiculously tough. They’ve suffered through some injuries and do have a win over Homewood-Flossmoor. While Simeon gets the No. 3 seed, H-F slides in nicely at No. 4.

St. Rita is playing its best basketball of the season, winning 11 of its last 12 games, and has also beaten Brother Rice to wrap up the fifth seed.

Brother Rice, Thornton, Thornwood and Richards all have nice win totals, but they are all lacking the impressive win or two that set them apart from the rest. They’ve taken care of the teams they should beat. But Brother Rice boasts Marquise Kennedy and its schedule is the strongest of the four.

Yes, Thornton is hot. The Wildcats have won nine in a row. But the schedule strength is really lacking. Richards and Thornwood are the final two teams and slot in as the eight-nine seeds. Take your pick between the two, but we’re giving the edge to Richards.

PROVISO WEST SECTIONAL

1. Curie (25-1)
2. Young (20-6)
3. Lincoln Park (20-7)
4. Oak Park (16-8)
5. York (25-4)
6. Riverside-Brookfield (23-4)
7. Proviso East (19-8)
8. Lane (15-8)
9. Fenwick (13-13)

Overview: [Editor’s Note: A correction has been made from an earlier version regarding Lane. Apologies for the error].

Curie is the No. 1 ranked team in the Chicago area and hasn’t lost to a team in Illinois. Young receives the No. 2 seed based on its talent and the rugged schedule it has faced.

Lincoln Park has won 11 straight games and has played a very strong schedule. The Lions have beaten New Trier, Young, Maine South, Naperville North, Farragut and Bloomington. Coach Pat Gordon has also added the program’s top prospect, 6-8 junior Romelle Howard, into the rotation. He played his first game of the season this past week. Lincoln Park gets the No. 3 seed.

York had the No. 3 seed pretty much wrapped up going into this past weekend. But it’s impossible to seed the Dukes, even with their 23 wins, ahead of Oak Park. The Huskies are 8-2 since the Pontiac Holiday Tournament with two wins over York, including a 29-point win a few weeks back, and victories over St. Rita, Benet, Orr and West Aurora.

Still, with wins over Benet, St. Laurence, Oswego East, Downers Grove South, two wins over Lyons and two wins over Downers Grove North and playing Oak Park twice, Stevenson and Rockford East, York’s has a diversified and pretty impressive résumé.

Riverside-Brookfield has the win total and victories over Oak Park, Fenwick and Kenwood to secure the No. 6 seed.

Fenwick, Kenwood and Lane will fill in the seven, eight and nine seeds in some order and get the pleasure of facing the two city powerhouses, Curie or Young, in a regional final. Kenwood has lost five of their last seven games. Lane has the most wins and has beaten Niles North, North Lawndale, Uplift, Oak Forest and Wheaton South. Thus, that leaves a tough call between Fenwick, which is fresh off a win over St. Laurence and has played a rugged schedule, and Lane.

 

CLASS 3A SECTIONAL

NORTH LAWNDALE SECTIONAL

1. Farragut (17-7)
2. North Lawndale (14-10)
3. Westinghouse (15-10)
4. Payton (15-10)
5. De La Salle (13-12)

Overview: Yes, Farragut did lose to North Lawndale in early December, but the Admirals are playing so much better and have a better body of work since then. Farragut started the season 2-3 but is 15-3 since that loss to North Lawndale.

Westinghouse has won 15 games while playing a very tough non-conference schedule. Payton beat De La Salle.

GRAYSLAKE CENTRAL SECTIONAL

1. St. Viator (21-5)
2. DePaul Prep (17-8)
3. Carmel (18-10)
4. St. Patrick (15-10)
5. Grayslake Central (12-12)

Overview: This will be a St. Viator and DePaul Prep battle with Carmel, St. Patrick and Grayslake Central all looking to pull off a pretty big upset.

St. Viator persevered without star point guard Trey Calvin for a few weeks. He’s returned and the Lions are also playing well with six wins in their last seven games. DePaul has played one heck of a schedule, but it’s also lost five of its last eight games.
After a slow start, Carmel is playing its best basketball. The Corsairs are the clear choice at No. 3 after going 5-2 in their last seven games but with a loss to St. Viator.

Grayslake Central is under .500 but has won three in a row, including walloping North Chicago, another sectional foe.

ST. LAURENCE SECTIONAL

1. Morgan Park (25-3)
2. Bogan (22-3)
3. Mount Carmel (18-8)
4. St. Laurence (22-5)
5. Lindblom (21-5)

Overview: [Note: This sectional has been updated to correct an earlier result].

Morgan Park and Bogan are the class of 3A and are bound to meet in the title game at St. Laurence. Both have put together terrific seasons with Morgan Park beating Bogan 85-77 back in December.

St. Laurence would love to get a crack at the big two on its home floor. Mt. Carmel beat St. Laurence in November and jumps the Vikings.

Following a long winning streak, Lindblom stumbled down the stretch with losses to Oak Lawn, Glenbrook North and Uplift.

RICH SOUTH SECTIONAL

Sub-Sectional A
1. Hillcrest (17-8)
2. Oak Forest (20-4)
3. Rich Central (11-11)
4. Rich South (10-12)
5. Rich East (10-12)

Overview: Oak Forest has won nine in a row and 20 games on the season, but this remains Hillcrest’s sectional to lose. The Hawks, who don’t play Oak Forest until Feb. 15, own a two-game lead over the Bengals in the South Suburban Blue.

After a slow start to the season, Rich Central is playing its best basketball. The Olympians have climbed to .500 by winning eight of its last nine, including wins over Rich East and Rich South to earn the No. 3 seed. Rich Central has also beaten Thornridge, another team in this sub-sectional vying for a top five seed.

Sub-Sectional B
1. Ottawa (20-2)
2. Kankakee (17-5)
3. Normal U-High (18-7)
4. Coal City (15-7)
5. Pontiac (13-11)

Overview: There’s a top three teams and everyone else in this sub-sectional. But there is no head-to-head and very few common opponents.

36 comments

  • George

    Responding to hsbball’s post of Feb. 13-for some reason I can’t make a direct reply.
    Let’s start with a question. Which team do you follow? I make no secret of the fact that I am a Fan of the RB Bulldogs.
    On to the substantive parts of your post. It is ludicrous to say that RB would have at least seven conference loses if they played in the West Suburban Gold or Silver when they have a 4-1 record against West Suburban teams.

    Equally troubling are your comments on the Thanksgiving tourney at RB. I’m sure you don’t think that RB handpicks the referees for those games. They are assigned by the IHSA.

    16 of RB’s last 20 games will have been on the road. With two road games left, their record in those games is twelve and two. This includes, in addition to wins over Marshall and Fenwick, dominating wins over Naperville North, Wheaton North, Hinsdale South and Oak Lawn.

    That was me that expressed the opinion that RB was negatively impacted by Farragut’s tardiness and I stand by that. You might be right if RB had known when Farragut was arriving. But I was there and we were constantly being told that they would be arriving in ten or fifteen minutes. So RB’s players were on the floor warming up, sitting down, warming up sitting down for more than an hour. That has to effect your routine and eventually your conditioning.

  • Jgm

    Here is how Eisenhower should seed: 1-Marian Catholic, 2-Bloom, 3- Simeon, 4- St. Rita, 5- Br. Rice 6- HF, 7- Richards, 8-Thornton. That’s how I see it. Body of work, who you play. Take care

  • 50 year alum

    Out of the nine teams listed in the PW sectional There are 7 teams that Proviso East would surely beat why wouldn’t they go to the Morton Regional if you want exciting games why would you think that OPRF vs boring York for a third time would be good. Or RBvs Lincoln Park . Proviso East 5 minutes from Morton is such a logical choice to play in that regional! You listing them in your opinion as a 7th seed is a joke.Why should they have to go to WY to play in a regional let city teams like Lincoln Park or Lane Tech play there. It would make so much more sense to let teams like PE, RB, OPRF, and York to all be together they are the teams that draw. It’s such a joke that a 13-12 team like Fenwick should have a home game.Hope when the seedlings come out they are done with logic Most fans know Curie and WY will probably be in PW Sectional and I’m ok with that but look at the overall picture you want the seats filled then think about what schools would make that happen.

  • Jake Perales

    I don’t understand how Curie, Young, Lane, and Lincoln Pk got sent to the same sectional? They aren’t even near each other. Especially Curie and Lane, as Curie is next to Midway and Lane is next to Wrigley Field. Shouldn’t Lane and Lincoln Pk be sent to Niles North instead? That would be closer for them than Proviso West.

  • Fan

    Whats the difference between a sub-sectional and a sectional

    • Coach Mike

      From what I understand, a sub sectional was created because of the distance between the schools in the sectional. Most sub sectionals consist of 11 or 12 teams. Those teams are split into 2 regionals. There are two subsectionals, that if combined, would be the equivalent of one sectional.
      I hope I did not confuse you more, or state something that is inaccurate.

  • South Shore Tar

    What’s with the photo of the Oswego East game at the top of the article? It looks like half of the crowd is looking at the other end of the court! Is there another game going on? LOL,LOL, LOL!!!

  • George

    The case for a higher seed for RB in the Proviso West sectional.
    1. Overall record: Only Curie and York in the sectional have a better overall record than RB.
    2. Recency: Over the last twelve games RB is 11-1. Only Curie has a better record over those twelve games. Only Young has as good a record.
    3. Who did they beat? Good teams RB has beaten include. OPRF; Kenwood: Lyons Township; Naperville North; Wheaton North; Brother Rice; Marshall; and Fenwick.
    4. who did they lose to? They lost to Farragut, a seventeen win CPL team-in a game that was so not representative of the way RB plays; to LT an 18 win West Suburban Silver team, which they had previously beaten; to Richards, which leads the South Suburban Red with 15 wins; and to Aurora Christian which has won 22 games.
    5. Other: They have beaten Fenwick which has beaten OPRF. They have beaten OPRF which has beaten York-twice.

    Three of RB’s four losses occurred mid season when they were playing-by their own admission-not as well as before of after. Do those losses count? Of course, but you shouldn’t take those games as indicative of the true talent of the team.

  • West sub fan

    No worries George
    Oak park will roll York
    Oak park was missing a very very good starter on Saturday
    Then RB
    Is there was a shot clock York is a 10 win team

    • George

      Yeah, York’s slowdown game is why they are annoying. I don’t know who was missing from OPRF Friday. Was he missing when RB trounced OPRF by twenty the day after Thanksgiving?

      • West sub fan

        He was not but their point guard was
        They are a much different team now
        Very battle tested

      • Wscfantoo

        So you think a coach should play a style not suited to his team? Thought he was coach of the year back in December.

        • Duke

          The York coach is excellent!!
          However they are very boring!!
          I have seen them enough to know
          Those kids have handcuffs on them
          I’m sure it is effective
          But I’m also sure it doesn’t give an accurate account of skills
          Good luck at Elmhurst college or north Central guys

          • Wscfantoo

            If the choice is D3 Elmhurst or the bottom 100 in D1, I’ll recommend the education first everyday of the week. Someday the basketball will end… Chicago State is D1. Nobody’s proud of that 11% student body graduation rate.

      • hsbball fan

        George, I think you defeated your own argument early in your statement regarding RB when you factored their win and loss to Lyons.

        Given your claim, you would then have to seed RB behind all the teams that beat Lyons, as well as the teams Lyons beat who lost to the teams Lyons beat, and the song could go on for ever. At some point that dance floor would be pretty bare, don’t your think.

        Now, it is much easier to justify the seed suggested for RB (and I do think they are a potentially dangerous team). Firstly, they play a majority of their games in a conference where only two teams have been part of a serious conversation.

        Secondly, they have trouble against talented teams on neutral or away courts (I think part of that has to do with the RB fans “section” standing on the court touching opposing team players while the “home cooked refs” look the other way. That crap can’t be done on non-RB basketball courts.

        Lastly, because I think the reindeer or for the delusional (unicorn) I’m riding is now dead…RB won big games during the exhibition season, I mean during their own Turkey Tourney, and lost both of their only truly competitive teams after Santa made them play outside at other people houses (Merry Christmas or whatever they may say in that confused looking conference of saints and the people who attend tax supported schools). I think suggesting they are within the top 8 In that brutal Proviso West sectional is a compliment.

        I’m really looking forward to how this entire group is seeded. I recall a couple of years ago when the returning 4A State Champions (Curie) who returned their entire team and even some new recruits (additions) thanks to Marian Catholic, lost to Oak Park at Proviso East in the sectional semi-finals.

        I would argue, with the exception of a couple of teams (that clearly have no chance of advancing past the play-in games) within this sectional can be the Proviso West Sectional Champion…which I anticipate will be a neutral court for all four sectional finalist.

        GOOD LUCK TO ALL TEAMS!!!!

        • George

          Responding to your second paragraph, what are you talking about? My sole point was that teams that have beaten RB are teams that have very good won-lost records.
          Responding to your third paragraph, RB’s non conference record is 13-3.
          Responding to your fourth paragraph, the Bulldogs are 11-3 in games played on away or neutral courts. RB fans grab opposing players when they are on the court. They must have awfully long arms.

          Paragraph five. There are no exhibition games in High school basketball. Games played in the “Turkey Tourneys” count just as much as conference games. They just don’t count in conference races.

          • hsbball fan

            George, are you aware of the fact as of today, Lyons is 6-5 in the WSS. They have a good record and no one can take that away, but most of their wins were outside the Wild Wild West. Imagine for a moment, if RB were in the West Suburban Silver or Gold they would probably have at least 7 losses in conference. I only use their games against Lyons because that’s what you used to support your claim.

            Outside the Jock Tosh, MLK at Marshall (where they needed overtime to beat the 11-12 Marshall team), and 3 point win at Fenwick, RB’s road record is a reflection of playing a lot of games in a subpar division of a subpar conference. It’s really not their fault and 90% of the teams in their conference will most likely participate in play-ins and shortly afterwards those teams will be watching the rest of the season from the stands…like I will be doing as well.

            BTW: I was not saying high school b-ball has an official exhibition season per se, but the Thanksgiving Tourneys enable teams to get their feet wet without those games having any significant impact on their overall season. In fact, there are some players making physical and mental transitions from football to basketball. I’ve seen how awkward those players perform in the beginning of the basketball season (Thanksgiving Tournaments) and how they adapt to the hardwood and are (Christmas tree) lights out around the time of Holiday Tournaments.

            I think Lyons win over RB at the Tosh is indicative of how teams might improve as the season progresses, particularly since Lyons lost to RB by 20 less than a month prior to that game.

            With regard to your thinking the fans would have to have long arms to touch the players…at RB unlike anywhere else I have seen a high school game, the refs who are supposed to manage the basketball court allow the RB 6th man (or whatever they call themselves) to stand on the floor right next to the perimeter of the court and they actually have put their hands on players and announcements have been made during the game to that fact.

            I consider myself to be fair and reasonable in my appraisal of things I am exposed to, regardless of my likes or dislikes. I actually like RB and think they have put together a program worthy of recognition. However, those exhibition games…where they stack the deck with those interesting refs who provides them with Thanksgiving charity meals, accompanied by their obnoxious fans, does not necessarily tell me anything about their potential in a game against a competitive team as the season progresses.

            The cherry atop the Sundae for me was when it was expressed by some in their fan base, their loss to Farragut at the Team Rose Classic held at Mt Carmel was mainly due to the other team arriving late…boo hoo. Let’s hope all their opponents show up on time during the playoffs, because it would be such a pity if their season were to end because of something so insignificant.

    • George

      If the seeds play out as Joe Henricksen envisions-doubtful-RB and OPRF will not meet until the sectional. We shall see then who is right.

      Should be:

      #1 Curie v. #8 Fenwick @ Fenwick

      #2 Young v. #7 Proviso East @ Young

      #3 Lincoln Park v. RB @ Morton

      #4 OPRF v. York @ York

      • West sub fan

        Lincoln Park will beat RB

      • George

        Seeds are posted. At PW it will be
        #1 Curie v #8 Kenwood, (not Fenwick)
        #2 Young v #7 Proviso East
        #3 York v # 6 OPRF
        #4 Lincoln Park v #5 Riverside-Brookfield

        I would point out that was almost exactly as I predicted but that would be bragging. But it was.😝

  • George

    Proviso West Sectional
    If things play out per your scenario, OPRF and York will play for the third time in the final of the York regional. I think the first OPRF/York game was an outlier. I think York will win the third matchup.
    That’s what I think, not necessarily what I like. As an RB fan, I worry more about York, than I do about OPRF, due to way York plays. They are very annoying.

    • hsbball fan

      George, a few pennies for your thoughts. But, before I begin…what is your definition of “outlier”?

      1 cent: The 1st game between Oak Park and York was not an outlier. Actually you would need more data/information to make that type of assertion. Here’s some information: In that particular game York played a fully stocked OPRF team at Oak Park and got annihilated by 29, with the 3rd tier (some of whom would have been starters at York or RB) OPRF players playing most of the 4th quarter. The outlier or difference prevalent in that data set is OPRF playing fully stocked…yikes for when they do (just ask York, since they are the only team I know who has played a fully stocked OPRF team this season).

      2 cents: On to the game at York. BTW: prior to that game York had dominated DGN, Oswego East, Hinsdale Central, Lyons, your very own Metro-Subpar Conference IC Prep, and losing by a basket to a very highly regarded and currently 26-2 Rockford East). During that game at York, OPRF was playing a relatively significant amount of the game using bench players, as two starters were on the bench with 2 fouls early in the 2nd quarter and 2 key players were not even dressed. Essentially, you might also think of that as an outlier since that was also outside the norm. Oh, another “outlier”, near the end of the game a York player hit a Hail Mary bank shot from no closer than half court (I’m pretty sure that was an “outlier” because he did not ever take a shot like that throughout the entire game until that point (pun intended). York is good and can shoot, but even that previous “outlier” I mentioned above did not enable them to win the game. The fact is OPRF is just better than York top to bottom.

      Given, your weird conference configuration in the Metro-Subpar, I think you are hoping and praying RB doesn’t have to play either of those West Suburban Silver teams. However, if the seedings turn out as suggested in this post…RB will not have to worry because they will not even get out of Morton due to I guess another “Out Lion”…I mean “outlier” called Lincoln Park.

      • Wscfantoo

        Hsbballfan, you’re talking like WSC basketball is good basketball. Incredibly average with poor coaching. And seemingly getting worse. How many times has LT NOT been a double digit seed the last ten years. Hey, but the 95-year history is awesome to have.

      • George

        I wish we were in a sectional with more West Suburban teams instead of one with Curie, Whitney Young, and Lincoln Park. RB has beaten OPRF, Morton, LT and Hinsdale South, this year.

        I have to admit that the Metro Suburban Conference is an unusual mix of religious and public schools. Maybe we should call it the “Saints and Sinners” conference.

  • Norm

    Tough to seed the Niles North sectional. I would think Schaumburg deserves better than an 8. Especially if that means going to Evanston for a regional when Rolling Meadows and Conant are hosting regionals as well

  • MC Fan

    Note: Mt. Carmel defeated St. Laurence 75-71 at St. Laurence 11/30/18.

  • sigma87

    Kankakee played a much tougher schedule that Ottawa. the Southland is much tougher than Northern Illi Big 12. Also, 1-1 vs a ranked Bloom. Beat a ranked Kenwood. Lost to a nationaly ranked team North Crowley from Texas.

  • jgm

    Guess you can always argue but guessing this is pretty close. Should be an exciting playoff. Parody abounds. Upsets will be had. Great work Joe and Mike, once again. Take care

    • Jgm

      However, 13(14) losses are still 13(14) losses. Simeon gets 8 seed, play 1 for regional title. Woulda,coulda, shoulda, should be seeded properly. If they take down the 1, well they move on.

      • Wscfantoo

        But how far would you realistically drop Simeon in this sectional? Certainly better than Rita or Rice, and they beat HF.

        • jgm

          “Certainly” a strong word and we may get to find out. HF, who they play? Fun about march madness, gotta beat who they put in front of you. Are you seeded on future potential or the job done during the season? If a team has a Michael Jordan, out the whole year and team finishes 6-20. He is 100% healthy and ready to go, are they the #1 seed? Good game to all, exciting as usual.

      • Jgm

        After further review, Simeon a solid #3, as to what Joe projects. Looking through their season, the incredible amount of travel, they performed. They had many “good” losses. Will be tough once again. My apologies.

        • WSS Fan

          Are you asking who HF has played or questioning their strength of schedule?

          • Jgm

            Hey, WSS fan. Thought their conference games, in which they play each team twice, was somewhat week. Though, performed well in non conference. One nasty sectional, loaded. Take care

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